Top 20 DBZtard lies and misinformation part 1
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Top 20 DBZtard lies and misinformation part 1
Top 20 DBZtard lies and misinformation (20-10 )
Here are some of the most comment arguments used by DBZtards and here's my debunking of said arguments.
20)Vegeta is a casual Earth sized Planet buster
One of the most common used arguments by DBZtards is the use of the Aira Filler
Although the aired Feat is filler ( So is SSJ4), it's not too far off from what Vegeta or even Nappa are capable of doing. Vegeta is able to easily bust the core of the planet by manipulating the GBE( Gravitational Binding Energy ) of Aria to collapse onto itself.
Aria: 105 px (7599.3 km)
Aria's Moon:24px (1737km)
www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/T…
Planet destroying yield:4.743E+31 joules
Overall yield:11.34 Zettatons of TNT
So no, Vegeta can't effortlessly planet bust planets the size of Earth, at best he can only destroy planets with 1/5th the mass and size of Earth. To blow up a Earth sized planet, you need 57.3 Zettatons of TNT just to blow up the core of the Earth.Close but no cigar DBZtards. Why is this much lower ? Because it's not too far off from what Vegeta or Nappa can do, however it's deeply exaggerated .
19) Planet Vegeta is much bigger than Earth
One of the most often used arguments in DBZ is the argument that Planet Vegeta is much bigger than Earth, this is often thrown as an argument by DBZtards in an failed attempt to rationalize they're inflating of DBZ power levels.
The planet doesn't appear to be any larger than Earth as seen with it's moon compared to our own Moon. Honestly that's all there is to debunk this myth that Planet Vegeta is much bigger than our Earth. Nice try DBZtards.
18) Goku in GT can power an entire Galaxy in base form
Another common argument by DBZtards is to use the claim from GT that Goku can power an entire Galaxy in base.This is based on a claim and nothing more really, aside from this being non canon, it's a baseless claim that doesn't stand up to claim.
Let's explain why there's no way Kid Goku could be Galaxy level within GT even with 15 years of training.
This is from the flashback in which Kid Buu busted an entire Galaxy over a period of a few years.
Unknown Galaxy Buu attacked: 279px
Kid Buu's explosions: 3px each
Therefore we get something like this
Galaxy( Assuming it the same size as the Milky Way Galaxy): 100,000ly
Kid Buu's Ki blasts:1,080 ly
Potential amount of stars busted via radius of exploison:3,225,806,461.612903
Energy need to bust the Sun:163.19 Tenatons
To get the yield of the attack, do this
3,225,806,461.612903x163.19=526,419,356,468.504 Tenatons
Now divide that by 23.9 Tenakilotons to get the final result of Buu's power
526,419,356,468.504 Tenatons/ 23.9 Tenakilotons
22,025,914.42839789 Foe
Kid Buu's Ki blast yeild: 22.026 MegaFoe
Kid Goku in base GT=Kid Buu's full power.
Even in SSJ4, Goku's DC is only 88 Giga Foe, only Small Galaxy level. So nope, Kid Goku in base is not Galaxy level in GT, or even Small Galaxy level.
17)King Vegeta is Multi-Planet level to Planet level.
Those are not moons, its the same design as the other planets, where moons are just white rocks. That is a large planet with 2 normal planets on the side, and to make it much better it was done casually with a wave of King Vegeta hand, and holding back might add since Nappa himself survives the blast.
Here's a calc debunking this argument entirely .
Planet King Vegeta was on:105px (12,750km diameter)
Closet planet to King Vegeta:29px(3,521km diameter)
Furthest planet from Vegeta: 44px (5,342 km diameter)
Distance to small planet 1: 70 px (8,500 km )
Distance to small planet 2: 151 px (18,335km )
Yeah the size and distance alone debunks it even being more than 2 Earths in distance from one planet to another.
Now for actual yield of the explosions per planet using these calculators
www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/T…
Planet 1(King Vegeta's planet): 53.7 Zettatons of TNT( GBE of Earth)
Planet 2( Closet to explosion)1.144 zettatons ( GBE of Mars)
Planet 3( Furthest from explosion)1.648E+31 joules or 3.94 Zetatons
King Vegeta's total yeild:58.78 Zettatons of TNT
That's just barely over the 53.7 Zettaton minimum needed to planet bust.
All the feat proves is that Nappa and anyone between the power levels of 2,000 to 10,000 can destroy planets as small as Mercury in one blast and potentially planetbust Earth via denotation of it's core but proves that Sayain's can breathe in space( Otherwise they wouldn't of blown up the planet they're on with them ) and survive up to 53.7 Zettatons of TNT, the minimum force needed to planetbust.
16) Goku trained in 100x gravity and up to 500x gravity, therefore he beats anyone
One of the most common arguments DBZtards makes is the fact Goku trained in 100g's and hence can beat virtually anyone. This is a massive argument of ignorance as it automatically assumes that no character has trained in 100g's.This is especially prevalent in forums regarding Sailor Moon and Superman.
First of all training in Gravity is not exclusive to DBZ nor something DBZ has done frist. Second there is a fundamentalist misunderstanding on ho Gravity works in fiction in DBZ. While they do cover surface gravity, they don''t cover acceleration gravity at all and in fact this gravity argument can easily be turned against DBZtards fairly easily due to their own misunderstanding of Gravity.
Surface gravity is not the same as acceleration gravity. Surface gravity affects all things equally, hence why a human under 100 gs would weigh about 10,000kg.This is standard weight within the Surface gravity chambers and moving at 0 MPH.
Pre Fireza Saga Goku with a power level of 30,000 can move at least 20 times the speed of light without Kaioken( Given his brother Raditz is light speed via his dodging of Piccolo's Special Beam Canon which is at least Relativistic)
There is also acceleration that is a factor as well. Gravity is not just constant gravitational pull but also the acceleration force of objects . A human can only survive up to 982 m/s² or 100 g's of acceleration before dying or roughly 3 times the speed of sound. This means that a person needs to survive at least 314,642.85 g's or nearly the surface gravity of a White Dwarf Star moving at the speed of light.
Gioku's acceleration gravity at this state would be at least 6,292,857 g's moving at 20 times the speed of light . With Goku's body weighing 100 times it's normal density under 100 times earth's surface gravity, Goku would struggle greatly to achieve 1/100th the speed and acceleration force needed to move around freely.
However let's skip the technicalities and show why Goku is not the only one who can tank extreme gravity..
Superman for example has tanked Black Holes and played baseball with Neutron Stars. A Neutron Star alone has 300,000,000,000 times earth's gravity. It took Goku 3 weeks just to adjust to 10 times gravity and around a week to adjust to 100 times gravity and Vegeta 3 years to adjust to 450 times gravity.
Going by the low end, it would take Goku 1,730,769,230.769 years to adjust to the gravity of a Neutron Star if it took him around 3 weeks just to adjust to 10 times Earth's gravity. At mid end, it would take Goku 576,923,076.9230769 years just to adjust to that with the fact it took him a week to adjust to 100'G. Hell we go by Multiplier's of SSJ as a factor to offset gravity like with the infamous"40 tons " feat, Goku can adjust to around the equivalent of 100 G's in one second and his Multiplier's with SSJ make him higher and higher with SSJG being at least 160,000 times SSJ3 power. It would take Goku 9 years to adjust to 300 Billion G's whereas it takes no effort from Superman at all.
Now for adjusting to the gravity of a blackhole.This is Newton’s Law of Gravitation. The value of the constant G is 6.67428×10-11 which is quite small, however when you put in the mass of the sun and the earth and the distance between them the force that comes out is 3.76×1022N, which is equivalent a thousand million million (1 followed by 15 zeros) Saturn V rockets.
The Gravity of Saturn V moon rocket just after launch is 1.14 g's. A black-hole has up to 1.14 Quadrillion G's. That is over 3,800 times the gravity of a Neutron Star. For Goku to adjust to this gravity, it would take him 34,200 years at his strongest state. Now onto the amount of energy needed to escape a black-hole.
As we established,Going from zero to 314,642.85 g's would require far more energy than merely 175 Megatons of TNT to withstand the force. To move at the speed of light safely and not be affected by gravity or vaporization energy, it would require an output and durability to withstand over 55 Teratons of TNT or over half the yield of the Chibuku comet that wiped out the dinosaurs. This is under merely 1 G's of the surface gravity of Earth.
To move at such force and have the energy to escape a Blackhole, it would require 19.728 Tenakilotons of force per second at the very least and that's not even counting adjustment to Gravity.
Note Superman can fly straight through blackholes no problem at all.
And can withstand the force of 1.14 Qaudrillion G's
Even the New 52 Superman tanked Blackhole lasers that are desgined to have the power of a microblackhole which is the equivalent of Star busting rounds.
Sailor Senshi in R season alone easily withstood the Event Horizon of a Blackhole, which is the point of no return with over 1.14 Qaudrillion G's of force.
They can also very easily resist the pull of the blackhole which confirms they have enough power to accelerate past the yield needed to withstand a blackhole
And Sailor Moon herself in the anime easily got up from at least 989 times Earth's gravity in merely a minute. This is by far the most radical strength feat from Sailor Moon i've observed. Think about this carefully. Sailor Moon is withstanding the same amount of gravity that would make reinforced steel dent and crack under it's immense power, so much for Senshi not having physical power to back up their magical power. In short going by the fact you need roughly 50 tons of weight to smash reinforced steel and Usgai weights 110 lbs, that means Usgai is resisting over 900 times Earth's Gravity. That's right, you're not reading this wrong,900 times gravity she withstood and stood up to fight against, IN HER FIRST TIME ! Mind you, it took Goku weeks just to get use to 10 times Gravity when he trained with King Kai and a full week to get use to 100 times Earth's Gravity. This feat alone makes Sailor Moon Orders of Magnitude stronger than Fireza Saga Goku at this point considering if she can quickly adapt to 900 G's, 100 G's would be nothing to her.
DBZ character's aren't the only verses that can have character adapt to gravity.
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15)King Kai is Star level +
Another attempt by DBZtards to upscale DBZ is the attempt to wank King Kai as Star level+ because he defeated Bojack along with the other Kais. This is based on the assumption that the Bojack movie is canon to the series. It obviously isn't and in fact the Kais sealing Bojack is a PIS moment considering King Kai's power level is only 3,500 which is only as strong as Piccolo Jr in the Sayain Saga whereas Bojacks power level is as powerful as Prefect Cell..
Really there's not much need to debunk this feat considering the fact it refutes itself given even by DBZtard standards, that means that King Kai can beat Fireza effortlessly, yet in the Namek Saga, he shat his pants at the thought of anyone fighting Fireza, even himself. Hell he shat his pants at the thought of having to actually fighting the Sayains.
14)Master Roshi was a moonbuster at a power level of 139
One of the most common and dishonest forms of inflating power levels and powers within DBZ is the claim Roshi at a power level of 139 can moon bust. It's an outright lie to say the least given the fact Roshi with such a power level comes nowhere close to Moon Busting.
In fact King Piccolo who had a power level twice as high could barely City bust without being exhausted severely. This.This alone debunks the myth that Roshi can moon bust within a power level of 139.
Further case in point of King Piccolo not being anywhere near Moon level is him stating his full power would shorten his lifespan.And he stated prior to his attack, that this is his full power.
Therefore a power level of 260=Only city level +
Because that's actually his base power, not maximum power level readings.
Another case and power is that Piccolo with a power level of 322 is only shown to be a casual Island buster with his casual ki attacks, there is no way Roshi with a power level of 139 is a moon buster.
Even with his Demon Explosive Wave, he's at best only Continent level which means around a power level of 600-660
Adult Goku at his weakest tanked a blast that's capable of wiping out an enitre island the size of a country, this is with a power level of 330-660. If anything, let's calc the size of the Island nation of
Earth: 909 px
Width of Island:14 px
Length of Island:123 px
Now for actual size
Earth:12,750km
Width of island:193.5973597359736 km
Length of the Island:1725.247524752475 km
Area of Island:334,003.365683103 sq km (128,959.42 square miles), almost the size of Nicaragua
Now time to determine the power of the blast itself.
As seen within the manga scans, 90% of the island was complete destroyed by Piccolo's attack and reduced to dust with only the outer limits being intact.
Speed of the exploison: Mach 100( Typical explosive speed of a nuke)
Energy needed to vaporize rock: 7.63 MJ/kg
Density of rocks: 150 lbs per cubic foot or 68.2kg
Area completely vaporized: 300,602.7 sq km
68.2kgx7,630,000x1,076,400x300,602.7x100x768=1.293113658061352e+25 joules or 3.09 Petatons of TNT
Minium force needed to destroy an entire continent: 1.33 petatons of TNT or 13.3 times the force of the Chixculub Impact that has the total yeild of 2 Million Tsar Bombas.
Goku with a power level of 660-915 maxed tanked 2.32 times the energy needed to destroy an entire continent.
Only at around 800 to 900 does moon busting seen possible , in fact here's this key fact backing up the claim.
This proves that you need at least the power level of 800 in Dragon Ball Z to do moonbusting when even a power level around 322-660 is not shown to be nearly enough.
And before the DBZtards claim that if Piccolo and Goku were that powerful, why were they curbstomped by Raditz ? Simple, notice that both Goku and Piccolo without weighted clothing were around 322-336 in 23rd Budokai? They are easily that power level against Raditz with Weighted clothing, proving they got much stronger in the 5 year skip. Further evidence by the fact that Piccolo's peak power was around 900 in 23rd Budokai whereas his special Beam Canon was around 1,333
Given scouters at best only measure base power levels, they did not factor a serious Roshi or his MAX POWER state . After all, what ultimately killed Raditz was the fact he was arrogant and relied too much on the scouter for base power level readings.
Roshi powered up when he blew up the moon with his moon busting Kamehameha Wave so he was nowhere near 139, he was far stronger. Considering his MAX power form resembles the power of Ultra Sayain , his power is more than 10 times higher base, putting Roshi up to 1390, however up until Battle of Gods, he couldn't use it due to decrease in speed and durability which would've made it impossible to use against King Piccolo who was faster than Kid Goku.
Another thing debunking this claim is Piccolo with a power level base level of around 322 with weighted clothing blowing up the moon.Even that Piccolo had some difficulty busting the moon despite what people tend to think.
Note the blast used against Radtiz was around the same energy output he used against the moon as seen with the two scans here. Meaning the blast Piccolo fired was not casual, however it wasn't his full power either given he was wearing weighted clothing which limits his power by 25%.
If i had to guess, the moon busting feat had to be at least 800 to 1,000 at the very least and that's not even factoring in the fact this was post Radtiz Saga Piccolo who did this feat and Namekaians can get strong enough at a rate that rivals the Sayains so yeah consider that factor there.
So this alone debunks the claim Roshi at 139 can Moon Bust or King Piccolo can planetbust.
For those what want to ask"If Roshi was this strong, why didn't he beat King Piccolo"? The answer is simple, originally his form had a major weakness, it's lack of speed. Roshi himself admits he doesn't like using this form because of the drawbacks it has in speed,stamina and even durability.
As Goku stated much later in the Cell Games, Ultra Super Sayian suffers the same drawbacks as Master Roshi's buff form, all that power is useless if you can't catch your opponent.
As we all know , in Revival of F, Roshi got much stronger due to 27 years of mastering that power but that's a non factor here. Either way, you can't bust planets with a power level of 139 or Moons.
13)Goku is Light Speed in Dragon Ball
One of the most dishonest and disingenuous arguments DBZtards make in general is this hyperbolic claim Goku is Light-speed within Dragon Ball.One of the most common arguments used to argue this power is the fact Goku dodged Solar Flare, which is no doubt a light-speed move at the very least.However let's look closely at how Goku "dodged " that move.
Do tell me if Goku can dodge Light, why does he need sunglasses ? After all, if one moves faster than light, they wouldn't need sunglasses to block a light-speed ability right ? Also note when Goku says "Here it comes " ,meaning Goku reacted to Tien, not the speed of the attack. The attack might be light-speed, but Tien sure as hell wasn't in this arc and neither was Goku.
If anything Goku didn't dodge Solar Flare the first time it was used did he ? Nor did Roshi who at the time equaled Budokai 22nd Goku's power and speed. Funny how Goku was unable to dodge it the first time and how Roshi who is just as fast as Goku couldn't dodge it either.This proving that
Though some would try to argue that Goku disappeared from Kirlin's sight in an attempt to argue this point Goku is FTL. However they fail to realize you don't need to be FTL to disappear from the human eye.
Given the average speed of a normal human is 3.5 to 4.5 miles per hour with their reaction speed being dozens of times faster. The fastest shown speed from humans is 44.7 km/h (12.4 m/s or 27.78 mph) with maximum reaction speed being at best 201 mph or the literal speed of a blink of a eye.
Goku blitzing Kirin isn't impossible considering the fact Kirin is at least as fast and strong as Merceanry Tao who is Mach 13.95. Goku by comparison would be Mach 139.5 around Budokai 22/King Piccolo Arc given he's slower than natural lighting but still easily in the Massively Hypersonic range.That's more than enough to easily make it appear that Goku is invisible to the naked eye. After all the gap between reaction speed and movement speed is only 7.2 times. Goku is easily 10 times Kiin's speed.
Not that it matters either given the same manga series have smaller gaps in power levels than Kirin and Goku's yet the character can easily speedblitz and curbstomp the opposing character with little effort as seen with Cui and Vegeta,Dorida vs Vegeta and Zarbon vs Vegeta. Either way, this dispels the myth Goku in Dragon Ball is Faster than the speed of light.
Another commonly used argument of FTL Goku and Dragon Ball characters is the argument Goku can dodge LAZERS .Note this is by far the dumbest argument i've heard from DBZtards on the topic of speed.
By this logic, Bleach characters around the rank of Vice Captains are Faster than Light because they dodged Ceros which are laser like attacks.
Or One Piece characters are FTL because One Piece characters can dodge Paascfista lasers which makes them FTL.
Lasers =/=speed of light. The only way a Laser would be Light speed is if that laser has the proprieties of pure light. Given the lasers fired at Goku come from tech that is nowhere close to that producing light speed ability, it's safe to say that laser isn't FTL and that DBZtards are grasping for straws.
Another argument bought up to the defense of the Light speed ability is the fact that Goku caught a dragonball in Mid Air easily and DBZtards claim each Dragon Ball was moving at 1/7th the speed of light. Nevermind the fact that claim is duibous on it's own given nothing proves Dragon Balls move anywhere near that fast and let's foucs on the feat itself.
So even by the feat, it's rubbish and comes nowhere close to actual lightspeed movement.
Hell in fact one can seriously argue whether DBZ characters are even FTL at all given Goku struggled to run across Snake Way which is only 1,000,000 km.
Hell this argument is deeply contradicted by the fact that Cell Saga characters like Piccolo fused with Kami( Who are light years stronger than Kid Goku) were unable to evade Solar Flare. So by DBZtard logic, Kid Goku 22n Budokai>>>>>>Piccolo fused with Kami in speed
However to be fair, it's established in DBZ that DBZ characters do have proven FTL reaction speed feats and can move FTl in short bursts much like a Cheetah can run very fast at short bursts across a short distance
However that's DBZ characters past the Sayain Saga. No one in Dragon Ball ever moved faster than the speed of light. In fact Goku vs Mr Popo prove this in both the manga and anime.
At no point Kid Goku ever blitzed Mr Popo.If anything, Mr Popo was making short work of Post King Piccolo Arc Goku ( Who mind you got a Zenkai boost from drinking Ultra Divine Water)
Hell even Kid Goku admits moving at Lighting speeds alone is impossible for him.Funny how DBZtards who love to quote things miss this crucial quote debunking their wank, either out of sheer ignorance of their source material or out of sheer dishonesty.
In the anime especially, there was a filler proving Dragon Ball Goku was slower than Lightning as a kid
Another problem with this is the fact that Kid Goku lacks the energy needed to even move at Lightspeed. This is the reasons why .
Energy needed to survive moving at the speed of light bare minimum.
800.679888 j=180 lb/ man weight
81.64 kgx
7.337437273192e+17
733 743 727 319 200 000 joule = 175.368 959 68 megaton [explosive]
for a human to move at light speed constantly, they need to generate over 175 megatons of energy per second and withstand said energy. That is the equivalent of over 3 Tsar Bombas. To move at this speed, you would need skin destiny on par with that of a mountain.
There is also acceleration that is a factor as well. Gravity is not just constant gravitational pull but also the acceleration force of objects . A human can only survive up to 982 m/s² or 100 g's of acceleration before dying or roughly 3 times the speed of sound. This means that a person needs to survive at least 314,642.85 g's or nearly the surface gravity of a White Dwarf Star moving at the speed of light.
Star wars science light speed
Normal humans can withstand no more than 9 g's, and even that for only a few seconds. When undergoing an acceleration of 9 g's, your body feels nine times heavier than usual, blood rushes to the feet, and the heart can't pump hard enough to bring this heavier blood to the brain. Your vision narrows to a tunnel, then goes black. If the acceleration doesn't decrease, you will pass out and finally die. The Air Force's F-16 can produce more g's than the human body can survive. We're forced to limit the acceleration of planes and spacecraft to a level humans can survive.
If we need to accelerate for extended periods, the level we can withstand is even lower. We can withstand 5 g's for only two minutes, 3 g's for only an hour. For the sake of argument, though, let's try to tough it out at 3 g's for a little longer. For Han to take off from Mos Eisley and accelerate at 3 g's to half the speed of light would take him two and a half months—hardly the makings of an exciting movie. Even at 9 g's, it would take him nineteen days to reach half the speed of light, though he'd be dead long before the ship reached that speed.
Going from zero to 314,642.85 g's would require far more energy than merely 175 Megatons of TNT to withstand the force. To move at the speed of light safely and not be affected by gravity or vaporization energy, it would require an output and durability to withstand over 55 Teratons of TNT or over half the yield of the Chibuku comet that wiped out the dinosaur's. In other words, unless that body can withstand that pressure, it would get destroyed.
Goku is not a human but a Sayian and naturally would be able to survive ten times the output of what humans can on average, however at the point of Dragon Ball, while his acceleration speed exceeded , his ability to withstand surface gravity was only that of a normal human born on earth.
There's also the problem of King Piccolo. His strongest attack was only 95 Megatons of TNT at maximum power. Goku barely survived that force and had to be saved by Tien. King Piccolo Arc is the strongest Kid Goku can get. 175 Megatons at bare minimum alone would exceed Goku's limits by nearly twice it's level, in other words it would be physically impossible for Goku as a kid to move at the speed of light for it would easily drain his ki to life threatening levels and that's not even factoring the acceleration energy either which would no doubt kill Kid Goku.
Now onto Teen Goku, can he potentially move at the speed of light. Remember that in order to achieve Light speed movement, you need a minimum of 175 Megatons per second and a maximum of 55 Teratons per second.Considering Goku's power level in base is only 336 without weighted clothing at this time, there's no way he can possibly obtain light speed movement.
After all as we established here, this is the tier of strength with regards to power levels
Human level: 5 to 8
Peak Human: 8 to 10
Wall level: 10 to 12.5
Small Building level:12.5 to 15
Building level: 25 to 50
City Block level: 50 to 100
Multi City Block level: 100 to 150
Town level : 150 to 180
Large Hill/ Small City Level : 180 to 210
Small Mountain/ Medium City level : 210 to 250
Mountain /Large City level : 250 to 275
Large Mountain/Small Island level: 270 to 300
Hamalaya Size Mountain/ Island Level : Power level 300 to 330
Multi Mountain level/ Large Island level: Power level 330 to 360
Small Mountain range/ Small Country Level: Power level 360 to 400
Mountain Range/Country Level : Power level 400 to 430
Large Mountain Range/ Large Country level: Power level 430 to 460
Small Continent level:Power level 460 to 500
Continent level: Power level 500 to 600
Large Continent level: Power level 600 to 700
Multi Continent level: Power level 700 to 800
Moon level : Power level 800 to 1,000
Small Planet Level: Power level 1,000 to 2,000
Planetary Core level(Low end planetbusting): Power level 2,000 to 10,000
Planet level: 10,000 to 100,000
Goku with a power level of 336 is only Large Island level+ at best without weighted clothing.However when using his Super Kamehameha Wave, his power level peaks at 910 given his Kamehameha wave is more or less as powerful as the one Roshi used making him Moon level at best, however as seen with that, he can't casually sustain over 55 Teratons of energy at once within this point of battle. To do so ,it would still kill Goku.At best he's Sub Relativistic in Dragon Ball EoS and EoS DB Goku>Kid Goku.
Only in the Raditz and Sayain Saga's does Light speed ability become possible given that characters at this point are casually county level with both Goku and Piccolo being in the 400's with weighted clothing off.
However Raditz who is shown to be their superior and actually dodged an attack that is arguably Lightspeed ( Given a weaker and slower Ki Blast can hit the moon in seconds by the same character). Raditz with a power level of 1,200 would be able to sustain the pressure of moving at lightspeed with no problem,especially given Planet Vegeta's surface gravity is 10 times greater than Earth's.
12)Garlic Jr is Star level +
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`Another common argument thrown around by DBZtards is Garlic Jr's Dead Zone which is non canon but let's humor this anyways. People compare the Dead Zone to an actual black hole, while it does function similar to a black hole, it's nowhere near as powerful.
Dead Zone (Void)
First of all, it's not a Black Hole, it's a void or dimensional rip.Second the proprietress of said void are unknown and third,considering the power levels of the movie and filler arc in general are far below that needed.
Note that even a 1 meter blackhole would require immense energy amounts of energy to do so. A one meter wide Black hole would have 56 times the mass of Earth alone or 334.521,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg .
3.006530201528448e+42 joule = 7.1857796404e+26 megaton [explosive]
Just to generate a 1 meter wide Black hole would require 718.578 Tenatons of TNT or 4.3 times the GBE of the sun.In other words, you would need a power level as high as Super Vegeta within the Cell Saga just to create a 1 meter Blackhole.
We also established that the gravity of an actual black-hole is black-hole has up to 1.14 Quadrillion G's. That is over 3,800 times the gravity of a Neutron Star and that the acceleration gravity of the speed of light is 314,642.85 g's. We also established that in other to escape a black hole even a meter wide, you would need over 19.728 Tenakilotons of force per second at the very least and that's not even counting adjustment to Gravity. The 2 escape velocity speed is 3.58692849e+20 g's or 1.14 Quadrillion C to physically escape any blackhole with raw speed alone.
Given Garlic j's "Blackhole "was over 2 meters wide at it's largest point, it should exceed even the power level of Super Vegeta,however given he was defeated by Gohan Twice, the former having a power level of 1,500 and the filler having a power level of 1,500,000 with the Makyo Star, it's clear that this blackhole is nowhere close to the real deal.
Another good example of this is the fact that this is based on Raditz Saga power levels.Considering that you need to be FTL to escape a blackhole and Goku and Piccolo couldn't do that here, it's clear that none of them are as powerful as one needs to be to resist the Blackhole..For one Goku can't even withstand 10G's at this point let alone a blackhole that has 3800 times the surface gravity of a Neutron Star, something that would take even SSJG Goku 9 years to fully adapt to that level of gravity
Contrast that with the blackhole in Sailor Moon R in which it behaved much more like a blackhole and actually was said to have the proprietress of one.
This is also not contradicted by powerscaling or previous feats given end of Season 1 had Sailor Moon purify the sun and their new powers in R season vastly surpass that of when they fought Queen Berly.
Given Garclic Jr is barely stronger than Third Form Fireza at his best and as strong as Radtiz at his weakest, it's easy to debunk this feat as just something that isn't going to be
11)Bojack is Quntillions of times faster than Light because he traveled a Galaxy without a spaceship
This is an argument used by DBZtards like SSJRYU, infamous DBZtard/Superman hater on Youtube who thinks SSJ3 Goku can beat Pre Crisis Superman. First of all, a Galaxy is only 100,000 light years long,second Sailor Moon crossed an entire Galaxy in merely seconds, which vastly outpaces Bojacks speed feat and third Bojack is non canon.
But let's take a minute to humor this feat shall we. As we all know, Manga Sailor Moon top tiers can casually move at 26,000 light years per second or around 820,000,000,000 times the speed of light and at maximum can cross a Galaxy ten times over in a second. If Bojack crossed a whole Galaxy without a spaceship and took him a full month, this makes Bojack 5,184,000 times slower than Sailor Moon characters. In other worlds,nowhere near Quntillions of times the speed of light.
To be at the Quntillions of times the speed of light,you need to be moving cross the size of the Observable Universe in a second. No DBZ character moves anywhere near this fast.Not even Beerus and Whis. In fact the travel speed with Bojack is only 158179.012345679 c at best or 158,179 times the speed of light which is unimpressive by Cell Saga standards.
10)Fireza/Cooler and King Cold are Star level+
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This is easily one of the most ridiculous claims i've seen from DBZtards regarding this series is the claim Fireza can blow up the sun because "Supernova named attack=Supernovas".
This is mainly brought up by hardcore DBZtards like SSJRyu who use false, misleading numbers to claim that Fireza is Supernova level because his attack is called "Supernova".His argument is that the attack in on par with a Supernova because the Cooler movie shows the blast of the attack stretching out to another planet.
One the Cooler movie is non canon and two, Fireza is nowhere near Supernova level in Final Form 100% let alone base form.Thrid just because an explosion was seen from one planet, doesn't mean it's that of a Supernova.
I'm guessing by this logic, Celestial King from Fairy Tail is Galaxy level because he has an attack that's called Galaxia Blade and Fairy Tail= DBZ by this dumbass logic.
As for the whole density of Vegeta, you have no proof of it even being Star level and again it's something you're pulling straight out of your own ass. Final Form Fireza barely leveled Namek given he held back too much power and Namek is proven to be much larger than Planet Vegeta which is just a Earth sized planet with 10 G's. A Earth Size Planet with 10G's would require about 2.240E+34 Joules of TNT which is only about 100 times the minimum power of 2×1032 J or 53.7 Zeattons of TNT so still not close to Star level,not even remotely close to Star level. Hell even destroying the planet the Size of Jupiter would still only produce/1,000th the power needed to bust even a Small Star level alone the Sun. So once again you're a moron.
Keep in mind Fireza barely leveled Namek, he can't possibly Star bust, hell Broly who is leagues above Fireza was killed by the Sun, you seriously think Fireza is a Star level threat ?
Fireza produces nowhere near an actual Supernova, he barely leveled Namek. Only Cell level characters and above can create Supernovas and Cell>>>>>>>>>>Namek Saga Fireza, nice try there dumbass. Planet Vegeta is show no different in size from Earth but only with 10 times normal gravity. .At best that yield of force is 5.35 Yottatons, only . To put that into context, Uranus, the bare minimum yield for Large Planet level busting is 2.7 yottatons. That's only a 2 times difference. Nowhere near Supernova level !
An average Supernova would have the yeild of 23.9 Tenakilotons, or over 44,672,897.12 times the force base Fireza has ever shown. In fact Even Fireza's Final Form at full power in the Namek Saga comes nowhere close to that yield. At best Fireza is in the High Yottatons to Low Ninatons, nowhere near Star level.
What about Cooler you ask ? Surely he's Star level! He claimed that he can destroy the sun right ?Nope, he stated he's going to blackout the sun, not destroy it. Also if Goku blew up the sun in the movie, there would be no Earth or Inner planets. Also Cooler is only 470,000,000, that's only 3.9 times stronger than what Fireza can do which is only at best 1.762 Nina Foe.Nowhere near Star level. Also i doubt a Kamehameha wave would sustain the sun, at best Goku only briefly blocked out the sun. There is no way Goku with a power level of 750,000,000 max in that movie is in the same league as Cell.
No, Frieza is a star buster because Goku said so, and Frieza at 50% form took the spirit bomb which had the energy of multiple planets and stars, which he took. It was even said that Frieza was a universal threat, obviously not 1 shot but planet and star.
Spirit Bomb only took small parts of energy from multiple planets and stars, doesn't make it equivalent to a Star level attack. The Spirit Bomb used to kill Buu who was far stronger than Fireza only used energy from Earth unless you are saying Fireza> Kid Buu because Buu was killed by a spirit bomb that only had Earth's power whereas Fireza survived a "Solar System level" Spirit Bomb.See how inconsistent your argument is to the facts.
Large planet level lol that is pretty funny, considering planet vegeta is itself requires more power to destroy then any planet thanks to its gravity and density.
Planet Vegeta at most is barely in the Large Planet range of busting and given Fireza in a much stronger form had trouble busting Namek, a planet with normal gravity, that kinda discredits Fireza's power by a large amount. At most the destruction of Planet Vegeta would be 2.240E+37 Joules and that's only if you can prove it's not only 10 times denser than Earth and have 10 times the Gravity but has over 10 times Earth's size. That's still not even 1/10,000th the power to bust the Sun. The GBE of the Sun is 6.9×1041 J so even at the most liberal size of Planet Vegeta which is 10 earths, it's still nowhere close to Star Busting.
Goku powering up against ginyu is solar system level because he lights up a solar system -.-
Since when did Goku light up a Solar System ? He didn't even do that with his battle with Cell let alone Ginyu.
As for Goku not dying from the sun, he wasn't thrown into the surface of the sun like Broly and Cooler, he narrowly escaped just being a few miles close to the sun.
Stick tune for part 2 of the DBZtard pwnage
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Watch then try anywaysBeyonder wrote:No Dbztard can debunk this.
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