Small rant/Exposing severe hypocrisy
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Small rant/Exposing severe hypocrisy
I WANT NO HATRED OR TARGETING OF ANY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHATSOEVER
For a bit of backstory, about a year or two ago I joined a Discord server that a friend from high school invited me to. It was a place where I could meet new people and have fun playing games with people I could make good friendships with. However, there came a point where things got a bit problematic. After seeing some posts that they had made I started to notice that they wouldn't like my way of thinking. It seemed to me that they made this sever as more of a "safe space" so that they could have a place to "groupthink". I kept quiet on anything political or topics that were sensitive at the time so as to not be removed, but one day everything changed. I decided to cycle through some of the other channels and noticed one channel titled "News". I opened it and started to see that based on what they posted there that they would not like me in the server (Keep in mind that I've been with this server for at least a year or more up to this point). It was a post of an image that explained to people in the server how to avoid ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement), which I'm pretty sure is illegal to do since you are aiding in obstruction of justice which is intentional interference with the enforcement of federal law. I was scared to say anything since this didn't seem okay to do to me. I checked the pinned messages section and in that section was a message that read as such (I will happily share screenshots of all things in this rant if anyone doesn't believe me), "I am posting this again because I need to. You know I wouldn't server ping if I didn't think it was necessary. On Sunday, July 14th, more raids are scheduled in ten major cities. San Francisco, Los Angeles, Denver, Houston, New Orleans, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, New York, and Baltimore are these cities. If you have family, friends, or literally ANYONE that you know who might be targeted (LEGAL or NOT because they are targeting legal families as well) please warn them and do your best to warn the people in your community if you live in these cities. This is f*cking serious." Now to me, this was very shocking, to see that I was part of a server of people trying to help criminals evade law enforcement. (Please note that it is a crime to enter the country illegally) After seeing all of this I couldn't just stay quiet anymore, I wanted to speak up and see what they have to defend themselves. So I simply responded with "I wouldn't mind if ICE came to my door" since I wouldn't have any reason to hide from them since I'm legally allowed to be in the U.S. After someone asked me why and I used that same exact reason for as to why I wouldn't fear them, another individual chimed in with "They are raiding legal families as well". Another individual responded with "They are taking people just for being Mexican. They don't care give a sh*t who it is. Anyone is a target." Now, this piqued my interest to hear such racism to assume that anyone that ICE targets must be of a certain race, so I decided to ask if they could give me some evidence of this accusation. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/opinion/ice-raids.html This was the article that they pointed me towards as "proof" that ICE is only going after people based on race. After reading the article (something this person clearly didn't do) I found that the woman didn't have any way to prove that she was a citizen of the United States. While it is a very unfortunate tale, she wasn't detained for just simply being Mexican. Saying that is very dishonest to what the story actually tells you, but it does a great job of trying to twist the narrative by forcing you to think with emotions rather than actual brains. (Not to mention that it is an OPINION piece and that the woman in the article wasn't deported) After I explained this to the chat, no one even bated an eye at anything I said and just moved on to the second thing I had said after my explanation. I said that I very much agree that the detention centers have horrid conditions at some of the locations and absolutely need to be fixed. This was also during a point where the whole "Concentration Camps on the border" argument came up. I felt sad that these individuals are so disconnected from reality. I said that the detention centers were not concentration camps, and about 3 people (one of whom is an admin of the server) argued that they 100% are concentration camps. So I asked them to define concentration camps to me so I can explain to them exactly where they were wrong. I'm guessing the individual who sent me the definition didn't copy the whole thing or just went to a site missing the rest of what concentration camps are. https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp gives the description of "Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of war. They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons." The individual, after reading that, said "they havent been convicted" To which I responded with "Read second sentence", to that the individual responded with, and I quote, "they arent refugee camps you cn leave a refuge camp" So I guess this person just so happened to read the whole thing and completely skipped over the "or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons.". I'm guessing it was a last ditched attempt to prove how wrong I am, even though they refused to acknowledge the part that proves them wrong. I posted a video linking to a YouTuber I watch named TimCast/TimPool as a bit of justification. This eventually leads to another individual saying a long paragraph of how they are concentration camps and they left this article as "proof" https://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-concentration-camps-border-20190707-story.html which they admit themselves is an opinion piece, but they value this idea more since it's from a daughter of a holocaust survivor. By this logic, then my TimCast video is more valuable since it's the opinion of someone who knows the definition of a concentration camp and what goes on there. I wanted to ask "Then what about the holocaust survivors who say that these aren't concentration camps?" I decided not to so that I wouldn't cause even more chaos. I was given a strike around this time for another reason not related to this one that I can't talk about here because of the rules, but just know that it has to deal with making fun of my sexuality but I can't poke fun at others. A few days later I posted an article talking about how Democrats held off on impeachment against Trump and I couldn't help but laugh at it. Of course, these people are deranged and are ready to belive anything they want to as long as it's against something they don't like. (This is what group think does to people, the only reason I'm still in the server at this point is because diversity of ideas is what helps make this country great) They then proceed to bombard me with article after article of "proof" that Trump is guilty of a crime. All of which I read through and majority if not all of them are either "possible crime", "maybe", "he said she said" articles. None of that is proof, that's called speculation and allegation. I wanted to see actual evidence of a crime, not the potential of a crime. If there was hard evidence of a crime, then I would be in favor of impeachment, but so far, nothing has come up as valid yet. The admin (The same on from earlier and the same one who gave me the strike) said why is it funny that they want to impeach a racist, sexist, neo-nazi?" This quote right here is exactly the problem with groupthink, when you only hear negativity for someone, you only think negatively of them always. The same works in reverse if you only hear positivity of someone. I want to hear both negative and positive to make my own assumption. A quick side note is that one of the rules of the server is to be respectful and any beef you have with someone must be taken to the DM's, yet that seemed to not apply at one point. The very same admin, after linking me an article that again pulls at strings hoping to catch a fish, said quote (I have this screenshotted as well) "literally takes a singular f*cking google but go off on your neo-nazi ideals " Yes, the admin just essentially called me a neo-nazi, despite the fact that I have only been speaking reasonably and rationally. No one said anything about this, and just pretended it didn't happen. This admin then continued to post more articles to "prove" how right they were. (All coming from heavily biased sources that have been proven to fabricate stories, tells lies, and even leave out bits of context to claim they are right) The admin went on to say "Here's a couple more in case you still don't know how to look things up yourself" Another individual chimed in and said, "There's more news than TimCast". This is where I found it to be the funniest since I only ever posted 2 videos of TimCast as a reference to my point, yet somehow that means all of my news is coming from TimCast. Someone else said, "not to mention he has some really bad ideas". Okay and? I disagree with TimCast on many things and I don't think he has all the answers, not to mention he doesn't support trump and leans more to the left in politics like all of you, but he's bad because he is a moderate and not an insane far-leftist. The admin continued, "just his ideas in general and agreeing with him and supporting him shows the kind of character you have and it's not a good one lmao..." (I would post the whole thing but it would take up a lot of this and this rant has gone on for a good minute now. If you want to see screenshots of this just let me know) Yes and calling someone you disagree with a neo-nazi, assuming they are transphobic (that's what the strike was for) based on nothing but someone sexuality, and saying that they have no idea how to do research despite the fact that I do lots of research every day and you just assumed I don't and just watch one source, and get my sources from people you don't like so they are invalid is a much better character to have right? By the end of the admin along with other members rant against me (yes I had no one support me or back me up or even hint that I might have a point on something) the admin closed with "anyways i'mma yeet myself outta here because I get the feeling that whatever I say will fall on deaf ears anyways so I'mma just n o t" To which I responded with, "And I shall stop as well for anything I say shall fall on deaf ears as well". You would think that would be the end, and it was, but one member said something that just made it all better. This individual said, and I quote, "There's no deaf ears here. The man already openly commited crimes." Wait, hold on, so if you guys tell me something you think is true and I don't listen I have deaf ears, but if I tell you guys something I think is right and you don't listen.......you don't have deaf ears? The art of hypocrisy is strong with them, make fun of my sexuality but I can't make jokes about anothers, get stories that prove you right and nothing I post is correct or valid, namecalling is against the rules unless it's directed at me, and not listening to anything I have to say isn't having deaf ears. I wish I could make this up but I just can't, I lack the talent to make this up. I was just removed from the server (The rules say that you need to be given a 3rd strike to be banned but I only had 1. In fairness, I believe there was a rule about pedophilia being an instant ban, but I'll explain that now) for a NSFW image of Deku, Todoroki, some other character from My Hero Academia in a homosexual act. Now, this probably sounds bad on my part since they are high schoolers, but legal age of consent in America is 16 and in Japan it's about 14. Not to mention that it was fan art and thus the artist could have made them any age that they wanted to. In a server full of teenagers and people who are white nights for anything LGBT related, I thought maybe this would be a nice thing to give them since they like anime like me, but I guess not. I give credit where credit is due, but to immediately ban me over an image of characters around their age group and who were possibly drawn a bit older than their actual age is a bit unsettling. I just had to vent this out a bit, and again I will gladly post screenshots if anyone wishes to see them themselves (Again I must say I want no harm, harassment or hatred directed at or towards these people. Let them stay in their safe space and enjoy only hear what they like and being bigots towards anyone who disagrees with them. Their names will be visible in the screenshots but that is to out them for their blatant hypocrisy, not to make them targets. Please be respectful and have an amazing day ) 12.05.2019
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