Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Respect Thread

[Beyonder]

Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Battle Profile
Pre-Retcon Beyonder Bio Profile

Beyonder (Original) Bio:

The Beyonder was from a separate omniverse which was beyond all known reality, space, dimensions and time which was called the "Beyond Realm" in which he existed as everything and everything were him it was said this Multiverse was bigger than the Marvel Multiverse (Actually an Omniverse) stating it was a drop in the sea in comparison. And upon observing and gaining what he wanted he created an event only known as Secret Wars.

In the very word of his creator, Jim Shooter (Chief Editor of Marvel/Creator of Marvel Handbooks) was that Beyonder was basically God before God even existed.

Beyonder (Original) Powers and Abilities:

Pre-Recton Beyonder was Omnipotent (Infinite in Power)
Pre-Recton Beyonder was Omniscient (Unlimited Knowledge)
Pre-Recton Beyonder was Omnipresent (Exist anywhere)

For Specific Insight of what Beyonder powers he has shown in Comics here is a List: Reality Warping, Immortality (Ageless, Disease Immunity, Absolute Regenerative Abilities), Flight, Teleportation, Size Manipulation, Magic Immunity, Power Mimicry, Power Duplication, Power Reversal, Time Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Space Manipulation, Concept Manipulation, Emotion Manipulation, Resurrection, Mind-Reading, Invisibility, Non-Corpeal form, Invulnerability, Faster than Light Reaction and Striking Speeds, Plot/Fate/Destiny Manipulation, Power Cancellation, Cosmic Awareness, Power Removal, Genetics Manipulation, Molecule Manipulation, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Omniscience,

Jim Shooter (Creator) states Beyonder is as God before Genesis

Narration states Beyonder is Omnipotent

Official Marvel Wiki States Beyonder is Omnipotent Twice

Marvel Handbook states Omnipotent Beyonder

Beyonder can Retcon anything he wants

Beyonder Omniscience

Beyonder Omnipresence

Strength Feats

Beyonder has unlimited strength even in a Physical manifestation avatar form he can still lift Beyond 100+ tons

Striking Speed Feats

Even in both his physical form and non-physical form, Pre-Retcon Beyonder fights with the celestials race which to some it seems like a simple fight to lesser beings but in reality, they are fighting with billions of feints, thrusts, and parries per second! which Beyonder is literally stating to fighting them at either Faster than Light or Massive Faster than Light speeds, displaying he doesn't just know to fight on both the physical and non-physical but is fighting them in numerous unknown planes of existences.

Speed Feats

Pre-Retcon Beyonder entered the Multiverse traveling at a speed that even the concept of space and time has no meaning to him! (Beyond Massive Faster than Light.)

(Note: He is not being Omnipresent by his own whim as the scan itself shows him traveling!)

Reaction Speed Feats

Pre-Recton Beyonder even in his Physical Manfestiation is capable of reacting to a laser cannon that fires at a Faster than light speed itself! he is just casually stopping it with a single HAND.

Durability Feats

Pre-Retcon Beyonder casually without even his guard up effortlessly tanks a blast from Pre-Retcon Molecule Man capable of destroying Billions of universes! and it does absolutely nothing not even destroying a single fraction of his clothing!

Destructive Capacity Feats:

Pre-Retcon Beyonder with just a wave of his hand destroys 3 planets in the Microverse.

Pre-Retcon Beyonder wipes an entire Galaxy casually!

Pre-Retcon Beyonder then creates an entire planet from the destroyed Galaxy!

Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the second time casually destroys a Galaxy yet again!

Pre-Retcon Beyonder just by standing in Space destroys not just worlds or suns but even alternate universes casually without moving!

Pre-Retcon Beyonder casually causes Multiverse-Wide Destruction just by being upset!

Pre-Retcon Beyonder can destroy a shield capable of surviving Existence level destruction! Pre-Retcon Molecule Man Used his own power+all the energy in existence!)

Noteable Feats By Pre-Retcon Beyonder

Pre-Retcon Beyonder swats the Near-Omnipotent Galactus like a fly!



Pre-Retcon Beyonder controls the world including humans, animals, matter, and even inanimate concepts!



Pre-Retcon Beyonder displays a bypass to magical based beings like Magik and capable of sensing and seeing through false manifestations.

Pre-Retcon Beyonder has no physical form, no spiritual form, and or astral form but can take on these forms when he chooses and Beyonder was once Infinite Dimensional and even still his physical form isn't like others.



Beyonder kills and resurrects Mistress Death! Molecule Man told him nothing in the entire existence can/could kill something and bring back death this includes his power+all the power of the cosmic beings including the living tribunal, and all the energy/power itself! Proving just how truly omnipotent he is since the only being capable of killing an absolute immortal are those who wield unlimited power itself!


Pre-Retcon Beyonder even when not wanting to fight Molecule Man had their power shift the Multiverse itself! even when showing Molecule Man who is the true being capable of wielding unlimited power and unleashing an attack capable of destroying space itself reaching infinity itself!


Pre-Retcon Beyonder is capable of Teleportation of himself and others, even becoming Omnipresent at whim.


Pre-Retcon Beyonder can use his powers to instantly know his enemy's thoughts, feelings, and powers and counter them.


Pre-Recon Beyonder can reverse forbidden magic instantly.


Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had.



Pre-Retcon Beyonder can teleport and undo other being's Powers/Affects on a whim.

Character Statements about Beyonder!

Nightcrawler is in despair comparing Beyonder to "God"

Debunking Misconceptions:

1. Beyonder ISN'T from the marvel omniverse he is from HIS own one which is beyond the concept of Space, Time, and all of reality but his entire "Multiverse" dwarfed the Marvelverse.

2. Jim shooter commented about beyonder.....

"In a sense, he is like God before there was Genesis."

Basically, this means Beyonder existed BEFORE the marvelverse meaning he is the OLDEST being and he is vastly OLDER than The living tribunal himself.

3. Dr.Doom PIS and Beyonder CIS??? A lot of people downplay beyonder with the whole "Dr.Doom stole his omnipotence GG he ain't omni." here is the issue......Beyonder himself stated he SOUGHT to AID Doom whats CIS about this?.....Beyonder disabled his omniscience so he can experience through his own understanding and with this Beyonder dissected Dr.Doom and here's the PIS.....Doom used *Will* to take the powers of the beyonder BUT here is where Marvel screwed themselves up because after secret wars we see Captain America having the desire to fix his shield.....but if you think about it Beyonder basically GAVE doom his power what Beyonder did was not only fool Dr.Doom he also showed that without his omniscience enabled he was still smarter than Victor! So either way SW was PIS+CIS to the core with a lot of plot holes because Doom WITH Beyonder power was labeled by Thor as "Nigh-Omnipotence" but even after Beyonder was still labeled Omnipotent so marvel never cleared any of this up.

Even during Fantastic Four with beyonder he even states "I sought to aid you but stole my power." Beyonder said stole because Doom LIED and used said power for evil.

Let's not forget Dr.Doom used outlier unknown devices from Galactus ship even the "Chestplate" as mentioned above was also shown once and only once during this time.

4. Beyonder killing death is also a very downplayed gimmick around....here is something you people need to know....because even on the cover by narration it stated that he was So omnipotent he is he could build his home instantly but he limits himself to human levels to experience his own life.

1) Beyonder lie: He lied about having the power to revive Mistress Death and the reason for lying was so that the cosmic beings wont bother him about bringing back death.

2) Beyonder Plan: If you have read this issue you would see that beyonder was checking the *fundamentals* of the Multiverse basically he made sure his plan is 100% but was ruined when Molecule Man showed up and we all see him literally try to kill a small rose but HE couldn't then we see that not even LT power or LT with all the power of the multiverse couldn't revive death if she died! Beyonder knew he was the only one capable of such a feat!

(Fundamental means a central or primary rule or principle on which something is based.)

3) Beyonder Knowledge: Now if you also read the same issue you will see beyonder said he needed a avatar a *sacrifice* in order to bring mistress death back but the downplayers will constantly say
*"He needed a Sacrifice therefore not omni."*
here is where they are wrong.....because beyonder could have thought Mistress death back BUT here is the issue Mistress Death is a CONCEPT a IDEA PERSONIFIED to beyonder its a experience he couldn't comprehended because he cant die so thinking her into existence WILL not make everything mortal again instead she would just be a character but since Death is an IDEA and needs to be existing through Killing something would be the only way as shown when beyonder explained to bring back death someone MUST die so here is where we put 1+1.......If beyonder can kill an absolute immortal being but not Molecule Man which MM wielded Near-Omnipotent power but even if he couldn't that means Beyonder was indeed Infinite in power because even a portion of his power can be infinite so beyonder used his knowledge to bring death back without causing further harm to the Marvelverse.

4) Beyonder Did Have the Power: After reviving death and killing his friend dave we see beyonder literally gesturing his hand and literally destroying his complex so how can you claim he was drained when he bitched slap demons back to hell,killed death and revived her by killing dave, and destroyed his complex?......Clearly people arent understanding the story.

Now to the whole phoenix problem.....even before rachel summers stated.....
"It was no accident then your allowing me to retain that power.You knew my thoughts and fears. The shadow in my soul. The darkside of my nature--you knew what my mom did--and set me up to follow in her footsteps."

Then it goes to the fight where she hits him with his own power+phoenix force
"He sought his power......But this is far,far more...than even he can bare. All that phoenix experienced--The totality of life. In all its form, All its infinite glory...is now his."

Translation she hit him with Every feeling of what it feels to be human.

Now even after/before Beyonder was able to beat her but the PLOT of this issue was very clear to start Secret Wars Issue 9 because this helped shaped his opinion about morals,mortals,feelings and thoughts.

His own plan was to destroy the crystal and to be back to his former self as the entity of the Omniverse of the beyond proven by rachel.

"I was your catspaw. I was to do our dirty work for you--Break the crystal, destroy the universe. It wouldn't kill you--merely recreate your state of primal unbeing,that precious unity you're so fond of."

She didn't beat him even when he stated himself he wont defend himself if she attacks him with his own power.
He didn't lose he tried to make her stop but to his own desire he didn't force will and accepted the incoming attack a blast that was his own words capable of destroying him even with a increase with the phoenix force but even still HE existed he was granted with the lesson of Humanity

For the final with the fight with Molecule Man......Now even this is used for downplay which is sad because......both of them was having a brief talk where beyonder was trying to reason with Owen but owen was listening and beyonder was feeling annoyed especially since the heroes was interfering.....here is the issue Beyonder literally pushed Owen like a child the but in a instance before with The multiverse level collision the past,future, and present and even existence felt their mere second long collision but as captain american and  molecule man talk this is what was said.....
Molecule Man: "By the way,I also removed every living thing from his death blast path...They're all in stasis, in sub-space! I'll bring'em back later, if there is a later!"

Captain America: "How are such things possible--? Its--Its Beyond belief!"

Molecule Man: "I transact on power levels unimaginable to you captain america, and the beyonder it seems, on levels unimaginable to Me!"

Molecule Man from just a brief fight knew even beyonder transcends behind even his near-infinite power!

As for Beyonder baby form and his "Death" this isn't truly the case......since we see Beyonder energy was going to erase everything BUT Molecule Man had stopped it and sent back his "Omniverse Big Bang" back into his beyond realm creating another Omniverse.