Michael & Lucifer VS Beyonder & Molecule Man

Who wins? Pre retcon beyonder and molecule man, DC michael and lucifer.

Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins :^/

Michael Deimurgos is above Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Lucifer Morningstar is basically on par with Pre-Retcon Molecule Man

Pre-Retcon Beyonder is above both the brothers combined.

(Before someone calls me a fanboy lol let me explain.)

Michael Demiurgos is Omnipotential (See Omnipotential)

Lucifer Morningstar is Nigh-Omnipotent,Nigh-Omniscient, and Nigh-Omnipresent.

Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) is basically Omnipotent,Omniscient, and is Omnipresent here is the evidence. (See Beyonder is Omnipotent)

Pre-Retcon Molecule Man is Nigh-Omnipotent,Nigh-Omniscient, and Nigh-Omnipresent like lucifer.

If this was Beyonder (Cosmic Cube) and or Molecule Man (Post-Retcon) then it would be a stalemate because current molecule man/beyonder are said to wield Infinite Power.

Any other version of Beyonder then Michael and Lucifer would stomp.

Only version of Molecule Man thats powerful is the current aka Post-Retcon and so Michael and Lucifer would stomp any other version together.

Beyonder wrote:Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins :^/

Michael Deimurgos is above Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Lucifer Morningstar is basically on par with Pre-Retcon Molecule Man

Pre-Retcon Beyonder is above both the brothers combined.

Er, didn't Molecule Man defeat Beyonder? How can the brothers be stronger than molecule man but weaker than beyonder?

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins :^/

Michael Deimurgos is above Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Lucifer Morningstar is basically on par with Pre-Retcon Molecule Man

Pre-Retcon Beyonder is above both the brothers combined.

Er, didn't Molecule Man defeat Beyonder? How can the brothers be stronger than molecule man but weaker than beyonder?

If the picture above is what you speak of this is Cosmic Cube forms even still they caused affects beyond the multiverse if you see "Trans-Multiversal" thats what it implied and both of them collided causing this 2 mere cosmic cubes but Beyonder in this one was still a "Naive" nascent being.

Beyonder wrote:

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins :^/

Michael Deimurgos is above Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Lucifer Morningstar is basically on par with Pre-Retcon Molecule Man

Pre-Retcon Beyonder is above both the brothers combined.

Er, didn't Molecule Man defeat Beyonder? How can the brothers be stronger than molecule man but weaker than beyonder?

If the picture above is what you speak of this is Cosmic Cube forms even still they caused affects beyond the multiverse if you see "Trans-Multiversal" thats what it implied and both of them collided causing this 2 mere cosmic cubes but Beyonder in this one was still a "Naive" nascent being.

True, and impressive, but Michael is only second to the presence and Lucifer surpasses the endless in power. They at least have a chance.

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins :^/

Michael Deimurgos is above Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Lucifer Morningstar is basically on par with Pre-Retcon Molecule Man

Pre-Retcon Beyonder is above both the brothers combined.

Er, didn't Molecule Man defeat Beyonder? How can the brothers be stronger than molecule man but weaker than beyonder?

If the picture above is what you speak of this is Cosmic Cube forms even still they caused affects beyond the multiverse if you see "Trans-Multiversal" thats what it implied and both of them collided causing this 2 mere cosmic cubes but Beyonder in this one was still a "Naive" nascent being.

True, and impressive, but Michael is only second to the presence and Lucifer surpasses the endless in power. They at least have a chance.

Don't get me wrong they do have a chance lol but Pre-Retcon Beyonder is just to powerful if this was cosmic cubes then hell it would be a huge High Diff battle.

Beyonder wrote:

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins :^/

Michael Deimurgos is above Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Lucifer Morningstar is basically on par with Pre-Retcon Molecule Man

Pre-Retcon Beyonder is above both the brothers combined.

Er, didn't Molecule Man defeat Beyonder? How can the brothers be stronger than molecule man but weaker than beyonder?

If the picture above is what you speak of this is Cosmic Cube forms even still they caused affects beyond the multiverse if you see "Trans-Multiversal" thats what it implied and both of them collided causing this 2 mere cosmic cubes but Beyonder in this one was still a "Naive" nascent being.

True, and impressive, but Michael is only second to the presence and Lucifer surpasses the endless in power. They at least have a chance.

Don't get me wrong they do have a chance lol but Pre-Retcon Beyonder is just to powerful if this was cosmic cubes then hell it would be a huge High Diff battle.

So it depends on whether Beyonder and Molecule Man are at their height. Gotcha.

pretty much Lucifer and Michael are probably one of the strongest fictional characters as a team but separate not so much.

Beyonder wrote:pretty much Lucifer and Michael are probably one of the strongest fictional characters as a team but separate not so much.

Actually, they are plenty strong on their own, but Michael is limited to brute force and Lucifer can't violate the first law of thermodynamics on their own.

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:pretty much Lucifer and Michael are probably one of the strongest fictional characters as a team but separate not so much.

Actually, they are plenty strong on their own, but Michael is limited to brute force and Lucifer can't violate the first law of thermodynamics on their own.

Alone they are both Multiverse level in durability but Michael can destroy basically anything but if he wants to create he needs Lucifer just like Lucifer needs him.

Beyonder wrote:

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:pretty much Lucifer and Michael are probably one of the strongest fictional characters as a team but separate not so much.

Actually, they are plenty strong on their own, but Michael is limited to brute force and Lucifer can't violate the first law of thermodynamics on their own.

Alone they are both Multiverse level in durability but Michael can destroy basically anything but if he wants to create he needs Lucifer just like Lucifer needs him.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Haha well least you are one of those people who understand this because a few doesnt.

I should note, even if Beyonder wins, Michael is stronger than the endless, who...

So they'll at least put up a fight

I know he is bro lol I never ranked him below.

Beyonder wrote:I know he is bro lol I never ranked him below.

Just a notable feat for him.

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:I know he is bro lol I never ranked him below.

Just a notable feat for him.

Michael already has Gods words on having Infinite Power so his feats would be already notable.

Beyonder wrote:

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:I know he is bro lol I never ranked him below.

Just a notable feat for him.

Michael already has Gods words on having Infinite Power so his feats would be already notable.

This is definitely close.

I wished DC just had better feats for him.

Beyonder wrote:
I wished DC just had better feats for him.

Powerscaling off of Destiny of The Endless is a nice feat.

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:
I wished DC just had better feats for him.

Powerscaling off of Destiny of The Endless is a nice feat.

Don't really need to powerscale a character like michael he already has infinite power.

Beyonder wrote:

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:
I wished DC just had better feats for him.

Powerscaling off of Destiny of The Endless is a nice feat.

Don't really need to powerscale a character like michael he already has infinite power.

Some infinites are bigger than others.

Omnipotence is Omnipotence unless you meaning in the terms of "Near-Omnipotence" but which Michael is a Omnipotential a being who wields Omnipotence but isn't Omniscient.

Example of levels of Infinite Power:
The Living Tribunal>>>>>>>HOTU/IG>>>>>>>>Eternity>>>>>>>>Galactus

Beyonder wrote:Omnipotence is Omnipotence unless you meaning in the terms of "Near-Omnipotence" but which Michael is a Omnipotential a being who wields Omnipotence but isn't Omniscient.

Example of levels of Infinite Power:
The Living Tribunal>>>>>>>HOTU/IG>>>>>>>>Eternity>>>>>>>>Galactus

Yes but omnipotent implies COMPLETELY unrestricted.

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:Omnipotence is Omnipotence unless you meaning in the terms of "Near-Omnipotence" but which Michael is a Omnipotential a being who wields Omnipotence but isn't Omniscient.

Example of levels of Infinite Power:
The Living Tribunal>>>>>>>HOTU/IG>>>>>>>>Eternity>>>>>>>>Galactus

Yes but omnipotent implies COMPLETELY unrestricted.

Michael chooses not to use his Omnipotence within DC.

He could have stopped the war with a mere gesture but he didn't.

Beyonder wrote:

emperorofliberty wrote:

Beyonder wrote:Omnipotence is Omnipotence unless you meaning in the terms of "Near-Omnipotence" but which Michael is a Omnipotential a being who wields Omnipotence but isn't Omniscient.

Example of levels of Infinite Power:
The Living Tribunal>>>>>>>HOTU/IG>>>>>>>>Eternity>>>>>>>>Galactus

Yes but omnipotent implies COMPLETELY unrestricted.

Michael chooses not to use his Omnipotence within DC.

He could have stopped the war with a mere gesture but he didn't.

Doesn't make him omnipotent